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#873584 - 12/05/13 04:53 PM Re: "You can fool all of the people some of the time, [Re: Us and Them]
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Originally Posted By: Tom Joad
The biggest loser is anyone that dismisses anyone out of hand because they call they are liberal , conservative, libertarian ,fat , skinny , female, homosexual or any color. We are too short on good ideas to fix this problem to be foolish enough to limit our options.



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#873587 - 12/05/13 04:54 PM Re: "You can fool all of the people some of the time, [Re: blackmouth]
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Originally Posted By: Rev. blackmouth
Well, when it comes to being offensive Todd is simply peerless.



He can't begin to match KK or Reefer.
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#873748 - 12/06/13 12:15 PM Re: "You can fool all of the people some of the time, [Re: ]
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Registered: 03/03/07
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Did Hank admit to being a ignorant fool ???????

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#873764 - 12/06/13 01:50 PM Re: "You can fool all of the people some of the time, [Re: JPbarbless]
Todd Offline
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Registered: 03/08/99
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Loc: Seattle, Washington USA
Originally Posted By: JPbarbless
Did Hank admit to being a ignorant fool ???????


No, but he should.

Hank, besides ignoring the obvious fact...that personal income growth, corporate profits, the stock market, and the economy all do better under Democratic Administrations...

Always

...you want to whine about how it is under Obama?

If it isn't going up under Obama, does that mean that you will continue to vote in DIRECT CONTRADICTION to the past many decades of evidence that shows that those things are ALWAYS worse under Republican Administrations, anyway, even though you profess to vote GOP because of the "economy"?

What if those things are continuing to go up under Obama, after going down during the entire Bush Administration?

Will you then concede that not only are Democratic Administratons always...

ALWAYS

...better for the economy, stock market, personal incomes, and corporate profits, and that you have been wrong all along to vote GOP for the "economy"?

Something tells me no, you'll continue to do it anyway...because you are a complete and total dumbass partisan who has no interest in the economy, personal incomes, corporate incomes, or the stock market...you only have an interest in voting for Republicans.

Am I right?

Yes I am.

Fish on...

Todd
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#873766 - 12/06/13 01:56 PM Re: "You can fool all of the people some of the time, [Re: Todd]
Todd Offline
Dick Nipples

Registered: 03/08/99
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Loc: Seattle, Washington USA
Personal Income growth under President Obama:



http://www.multpl.com/us-income-per-capita-growth

You'll note that since 2009...the end of the Bush Administration...that personal incomes have risen consistently and sharply, right up until today.

That is the one you keep harping on...and there it is.

I'll admit that telling you the obvious over and over again while you stuck your head in the sand, and in your ass, over and over again was mostly so that you'd keep asking the same stupid question over, and over, and over, and over...

What about under this Administration? I don't care about the last 80 years, I only care about the last five years!

Well, there ya go. After an overall decline in personal incomes under the Bush Administration, they have been going straight up the past five years.

Satisifed?

Do you now admit that not only are Democratic Administrations always...

ALWAYS

...better for the stock market, personal incomes, corporate profits, and the economy...

ALWAYS

...but that the "ALWAYS" also includes this current Administration?

No, you won't...and why?

Because you don't care about facts, or the truth.

You care only about being a Republican, and voting GOP party line...even when it is not only in direct contradiction to your stated reason for voting GOP...fiscal responsibility and the economy...but is in direct contradiction to your "reasoning" in this entire topic.

Right?

Fish on...

Todd

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#873768 - 12/06/13 02:08 PM Re: "You can fool all of the people some of the time, [Re: Todd]
Todd Offline
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http://bber.unm.edu/econ/us-pci.htm

2012 $42,693
2011 $41,560
2010 $39,791
2009 $38,637
2008 $40,947
2007 $39,506

Those are per capita incomes for the United States of America.

You can see how they have gone up consistently every single year under President Obama.

Satisfied?

Still feel the urge to vote in direct contradiction to the facts and your stated goals?

Of course you do...just realize that you are wrong, and worse, being a dumbshit when you do...because you know better, but do it anyway.

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#873769 - 12/06/13 02:12 PM Re: "You can fool all of the people some of the time, [Re: Todd]
Todd Offline
Dick Nipples

Registered: 03/08/99
Posts: 27838
Loc: Seattle, Washington USA
Please, Hank...pretty please...with sugar on top.

Please, please, please, please, please...now ask me about per capita GDP under President Obama.

Please tell me again how it's gone down, just like personal incomes (LOL!), and that's why you will continue to vote for utterly failed GOP policies.

Please, PLEASE, say it...just one more time.

Do it.

Now that we've got stock market, economy, and personal incomes out of the way...not only always better under Democrats, but better under Obama, too...tell me how per capita GDP is really the only important thing, that you can ignore all the rest...LOL!...but you just have to hang your hat on per capita GDP because it's gone down under Obama.

Please say it.

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Todd
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#873770 - 12/06/13 02:14 PM Re: "You can fool all of the people some of the time, [Re: Todd]
Todd Offline
Dick Nipples

Registered: 03/08/99
Posts: 27838
Loc: Seattle, Washington USA
And Rev, Joad, and the rest...you, too, feel free to chime in on how you vote GOP for "the economy" when Democrats are better at:

The Stock Market
Corporate Profits
Personal Incomes
The Economy

...every time, up to and including under President Obama.

Fish on...

Todd

P.S. It's OK to concede all those things and vote GOP for some other reason...but if you have some other reason I'd love to hear that, too.
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#873777 - 12/06/13 02:30 PM Re: "You can fool all of the people some of the time, [Re: ]
Todd Offline
Dick Nipples

Registered: 03/08/99
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Come on, Hank...say it! You've been saying it all along...just say it ONE MORE TIME.

Tell me how per capita GDP is going down under Obama.

One more time...just do it.

Don't go look it up, or find any facts...you've ignored them all along already, not just over the course of this thread but over the course of your entire adult life.

Don't start looking up facts now...just say it, one more time.

"What about per capita GDP under Obama?"

Do it.

Fish on...

Todd

P.S. You're a pussy if you don't...you've already done it plenty of times, what's one more?
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#873778 - 12/06/13 02:30 PM Re: "You can fool all of the people some of the time, [Re: Todd]
Us and Them Offline
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Registered: 10/20/10
Posts: 1263
Loc: Seattle
Sophist drivel. Obama himself in an interview in sept admitted that 95% of the income growth went to the 1% during his tenure. He also admitted that the median household income has dropped $4000 since 2000. And to top it off their spending power dropped by 39% in the same period. We spent what 3 trillion to prop up wall st and give 95% of the income to the 1%. Tell us again how that is good for the middle class? Let's not play the " I can prove my sophist point with meaningless charts game" let's go real world . Again a $32k pickup in 2001 cost $55k today. How many people have seen their income go up at that same rate? Food is 39% higher , gas has doubled. For argument sake I will give you the point that the dem admins win in all those areas statistically. How does that help anyone today and how has that helped anyone but the 1% the past 6 years. All I see a severe case of a pot (d) calling a kettle black with a pointless argument.


Edited by Tom Joad (12/06/13 02:32 PM)
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#873779 - 12/06/13 02:32 PM Re: "You can fool all of the people some of the time, [Re: Us and Them]
Todd Offline
Dick Nipples

Registered: 03/08/99
Posts: 27838
Loc: Seattle, Washington USA
Joad, that's ok to feel that way...just remember when you go to vote that if you vote GOP for "the economy" you are voting in direct contradiction to your own stated desires.

The facts are indisputable.

Over time Democratic Administrations always result in:

1. better stock market performance
2. better economic growth
3. better personal incomes, and
4. better corporate profits.

Those are easy facts to look up, and they are indisputable.

It is also easy to look up this fact:

They have continued to improve under President Obama.

Fish on...

Todd
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#873780 - 12/06/13 02:34 PM Re: "You can fool all of the people some of the time, [Re: Todd]
Todd Offline
Dick Nipples

Registered: 03/08/99
Posts: 27838
Loc: Seattle, Washington USA
I feel no need to convince you of the truth...the truth is the truth, no matter wheter you want to believe it or not...but I do want to make sure that you clowns know that you are wrong, and intentionally and purposely wrong, when you vote GOP for the "economy".

You have no excuse but to know it, and know it well, that you are acting stupidly.

Fish on...

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#873781 - 12/06/13 02:36 PM Re: "You can fool all of the people some of the time, [Re: Todd]
Todd Offline
Dick Nipples

Registered: 03/08/99
Posts: 27838
Loc: Seattle, Washington USA
Come on, Hank...one more issue to clear up for you.

What about per capita GDP under THIS administration?

Come on, man...ask me, ask me one more time.

No need to look it up, you already know "the truth", right? I mean you've been saying it all along.

Say it one more time, you pussy.

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#873786 - 12/06/13 02:44 PM Re: "You can fool all of the people some of the time, [Re: Us and Them]
Us and Them Offline
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Registered: 10/20/10
Posts: 1263
Loc: Seattle
Tell that to the 11.5 % unemployed. Tell that to the 10 millon that have dropped out of the labor force. Tell that the the 45 million on food stamps . Tell that to the 2 million that lost their homes and the countless millions that are upside down. Tell that to the 50% of new college grads that cannot find full time jobs. Tell that to the largest population in history of people under 28 still living at home because they cannot afford to move out. It will be easy because it's the same thing the media is doing along with this admin.
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#873788 - 12/06/13 02:46 PM Re: "You can fool all of the people some of the time, [Re: ]
Todd Offline
Dick Nipples

Registered: 03/08/99
Posts: 27838
Loc: Seattle, Washington USA
It's ok Hank...you would vote for the GOP if they advocated for eating babies.

You've been shown thoughout this entire thread the indisputable fact...if you vote for the GOP based on "the economy", then you are a complete and utter fool.

I've shown you the indisputable facts...you've shown you are a complete and utter fool.

Gonna ask about the per capita GDP? Come on, you pussy...you asked me about repeatedly above, so it must be going down under Obama, right?

Come one...ask me one more time...and then I'll show you that you are completely wrong on that one, too.

Just like on all the rest of this topic...the Democrats are better at every aspect of the economy, not just over the past 80 years but over the Obama Administration, too, just like all the rest...and if you vote in contradiction to that, but profess to do it for "the economy", then you are an idiot.

You'd be ignorant if you never bothered to look up the facts, or just took it at face value when those clowns in the House talk about "the economy", or watch FoxNews and listen to them talk about the economy and think it's true...but once you know the truth, and continue to deny it, you are no longer ignorant...

You are an idiot. Stupid, partisan, wrong...and an idiot.

Fish on...

Todd
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#873792 - 12/06/13 02:55 PM Re: "You can fool all of the people some of the time, [Re: Todd]
Todd Offline
Dick Nipples

Registered: 03/08/99
Posts: 27838
Loc: Seattle, Washington USA
Like I said above, I don't care whether you embrace the truth or not...the facts are indisputable and if you want to purposely and aggressively be a dumbshit, that's your right as an American.

Congratulations smile

You can keep moving the ball, or making up new factors to consider, or do whatever you want...blame the cold weather on Obama, so vote for the GOP on "the economy".

Just remember...you are an idiot if you do so because every single economic indicator has shown that Democrats, including Obama, are better at it...and better for us individually, better for our businesses, and better for our country's economic well being.

Vote GOP because you don't like brown people, or because you think Obama is a Nigerian Kenyan Marxist Socialist Nazi who will steal your guns and bacon...it's a free world, you can do that if you want...but don't vote GOP on the economy, unless by voting on the economy you mean "voting against the economic well being of all of us and our country"...in which case you should vote GOP.

Fish on...

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#873793 - 12/06/13 03:03 PM Re: "You can fool all of the people some of the time, [Re: Todd]
Sol Duc Offline
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Registered: 06/18/01
Posts: 15727
Originally Posted By: Todd

You are partisan

The nerve....lol
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#873795 - 12/06/13 03:21 PM Re: "You can fool all of the people some of the time, [Re: ]
Todd Offline
Dick Nipples

Registered: 03/08/99
Posts: 27838
Loc: Seattle, Washington USA
You're a clown, Hank, and a pussy...ask me again about that all important GDP. Do it.

I already showed you that you were wrong about:

1. the stock market
2. the economy
3. corporate profits
4. personal incomes

You ignored those and told me that it didn't matter, because under THIS administration they weren't...which, of course, I showed you they were.

You were completely wrong.

Then you repeatedly asked about that all important per capita GDP, the be all end all that trumped all the rest...

But now you won't ask me about it one more time...because you are wrong on that one, too.

Like I said several times, I don't care if you want to have your head up your ass and be in total denial of the obvious, indisputable, and easily verifiable facts...you are so in denial that you will never embrace the truth, no matter how easy it is to verify.

I just want you to remember that when you go to vote next that you are voting direcly in contradiction to your own economic well being, the economic well being of those "job creating" corporations, and the economic well being of our country, and you are doing it when you know that it is indisputable that you are doing so.

Fish on...

Todd

P.S. Don't be a pussy...ask me about the per capita GDP under THIS administration, like you did all those times before. Do it, come on...one more chance for you to be wrong and idiotic again.
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#873799 - 12/06/13 03:42 PM Re: "You can fool all of the people some of the time, [Re: ]
Todd Offline
Dick Nipples

Registered: 03/08/99
Posts: 27838
Loc: Seattle, Washington USA
I should say I'm surprised that you would go out of your way to show how wrong and idiotic you are again...but I'm not, you've done it this entire thread, and you'll continue to do it when you vote for the GOP on "the economy", won't you?



You can clearly see here that since GWB tanked it, who you voted for twice on "the economy", Obama has been consistently and clearly raising the per capita GDP.

You can see in this next one that the tank that your economic whiz GWB put us in has caused a long term downward trend in GDP growth, but since he tanked it the GDP has steeply risen...under not just a Democratic Administration, but under THIS Democratic Administration, the one you think it didn't go up under.

When economic genius GWB left office know what our GDP was growing at?

MINUS 5%.

Minus.

It is now growing at a rate 6% higher than that, and a couple of years ago was growing at a rate nearly 8% higher than that.

Good thing you and your brain trust voted for the GOP on "the economy", eh? Thanks for your help in killing our economy.



Are those charts too hard to understand for an economic genius like yourself? Here's one that's even easier to see what happened, and what is happening now:

http://www.tradingeconomics.com/united-states/gdp-per-capita

[img:center]http://www.tradingeconomics.com/charts/united-states-gdp-per-capita.png?s=usanygdppcapkd[/img]

Thanks, at least, for finally asking the question one more time...even if it made you look stupid...again.

You are no longer a pussy, but continue to be an idiot if you vote GOP based on "the economy".

Fish on...

Todd
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#873800 - 12/06/13 03:45 PM Re: "You can fool all of the people some of the time, [Re: Todd]
Todd Offline
Dick Nipples

Registered: 03/08/99
Posts: 27838
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Unfortunately that last one won't show up as a graph in the post...you can just click on it and the chart will open up...it looks just like the rest, GDP tanked thanks to economic GOP policies, then has steadily and consistently risen...and unlike your sad attempt to somehow call a rise in GDP a falling GDP, it shows it up thru this year, not just up thru 2012, and this year it has gone up even more.

Thanks for your help.

Now get out there and vote on "the economy" rofl

Fish on...

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